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Apr 16, 2025
Welcome to Phantoms & Monsters 'Personal Reports' - cryptid & unexplained accounts directly from the archives of Phantoms & Monsters, and the Phantoms & Monster Fortean Research team. Narrated by Lon Strickler. Join us in the chat, discuss, and ask me questions about the accounts. Featured in this edition: The 'Not Deer' was first described as a phenomenon from Appalachia. But there have been similar sightings reported in other areas over recent years. So what is the 'Not Deer?' Is it just a freak of nature or is it a legitimate cryptid? Some say it manifests as a victim of Zombie Deer Syndrome or a wasting disease. That may be true in some instances. But generally, witnesses report an animal with the body of a deer, but characteristics that parallel human behavior & physical attributes. There are also a few instances where these creatures are said to shapeshift into other animals. So, sit back & listen to the presentation, & decide for yourself. In this episode, I will describe the reports and incidents in detail and answer all questions from the chat room. Chicago / Lake Michigan Winged Humanoid Regional Interactive Map - https://bit.ly/3osR2jL Chicago / Lake Michigan Winged Humanoid / Flying Entity Sightings & Encounters - https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/p/chicago-phantom-sightings-2011-2017.html Hi. My name is Lon Strickler. I hope that you enjoy listening to Phantoms & Monsters Personal Reports. I have a question for you. Have you ever had an unexplained sighting or encounter? Do you have photographic and/or video evidence of your experience? Would you like to share your unique story with our readers and listeners? Please feel free to forward your account to me, either through my email lonstrickler@phantomsandmonsters.com or by calling me at 410-241-5974. You can also go to my website at https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com and use the contact link on the homepage. Your personal information will be kept confidential if requested. I have been a paranormal and anomalies researcher & investigator for over 45 years. My reports & findings have been featured in hundreds of online media sources. Several of these published reports have been presented on various television segments, including The History Channel's 'Ancient Aliens,' Syfy's 'Paranormal Witness', 'Fact or Faked: Paranormal Files,' and Destination America's 'Monsters and Mysteries in America.' I have been interviewed on hundreds of radio & online broadcasts, including multiple guest appearances on 'Coast to Coast AM.' One of my personal encounters was featured on Destination America's 'Monsters and Mysteries in America' television show for 'The Sykesville Monster' episode. I am a published author of 9 books on various cryptid & supernatural subjects. In addition, I am an intuitive who has worked with hundreds of clients who sought help with their personal hauntings and unexplained activities. I never charge for my services.
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the not deer was first described as a phenomena from the Appalachian
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but there have been similar sightings reported in other areas of recent years so what is the not beer
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um is it just a freaking nature or is it a legitimate Cryptid some say it manifests as a victim of
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zombie deer syndrome or some type of wasting disease and that may be true in
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some instances but generally Witnesses report an animal with the body
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of a deer but characteristics that parallel human behavior in physical
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attributes uh there are also a few instances where
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these animals are said to shape-shift into other animals so just sit back
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listen to the presentation and decide for yourself in this episode I will try to describe
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the reports and incidents in detail and answer all your questions from the
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chat room after I'm done with the presentation so first
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witness States I drove to a local convenience store here in Stroudsburg Pennsylvania in Monroe County to pick up
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something to eat my dog was with me and it was just before midnight
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everything was normal on the way there but on the way back something weird happened
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as I approached the stop sign outside of town my dog started growling
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my dog rarely growls so when he does I take notice
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I looked around and saw a deer walking toward the road from behind a large oak
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tree the deer then stepped out onto the road it's about 50 feet from me but then the
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deer starts to walk toward the headlights of my car as it gets closer I begin to see its
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face much clearer at first I it I literally shook my head in a bit of disbelief
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then I did a double take the deer had a freaking human face there was no elongated nose no big dark
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eyes it was a freaking person's face the eyes had white surrounded
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surrounding dark blue colored pupils and her forward setting looking directly
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at me I just froze I don't even remember my dog was
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growling at that point I was truly scared of what I was witnessing and kept looking at me for almost a
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minute then it turned turned
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to uh slowly walk away in the other side of the road and walked off into the woods
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stepped on the gas and got the heck out of there so when I got home I immediately went into my house and poured a stiff drink
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I need to know what I saw and went online I stayed up most of the night looking
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for an explanation for what I had witnessed now I read a few other accounts of what people referred to as
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not deer but nothing as dramatic as what I saw I'm beginning to believe what I
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witnessed the results of an experiment that went wrong I found your contact email during my
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research online can you give me an answer as to what I saw now the date was Monday June 26
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2023 so this is a fairly recent report now I did talk to the witness by
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telephone um I'm afraid I was too much help in the
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explanation it's not their Anonymous truly an enigma and I have really no answers for it but we continually get
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them you know get uh reports of these these sightings
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so the next witness States I stayed at after school one late December afternoon 2022
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uh in Roanoke Virginia area for a basketball game after the game
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I walked to the nearby Church lot waiting for my dad it was already dark and as I stood
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waiting I felt like someone who was or something was watching me I turned around and saw the shadow of a
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man behind a bush I instantly ran to the other side of the street I caught my breath and slowly
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walked back to the other side of the church uh so I would be able to see my dad drive up
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now as I stood there keeping an eye out for my dad and for other Shadows I saw two deer along the edge of the Woods
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I put some space between me and the deer now watch the deer as they began to move
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around I watched closely as one of the deer seemed to have a bad back leg or was
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injured I began to walk in the direction the deer in order to get a better look
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now when I came within 20 feet or so of the deer I stopped I was literally Frozen and terrified at
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the same time I realized that these were not deer
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they both had oddly shaped heads with patches of hair that seemed to be stitched onto their bodies
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it looked like human skin was underneath the patches then both deer looked in my direction
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and slowly stood up on their back legs they then started to run in my direction
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chase me back to the church lot I was yelling and running at the same time so loud that my dad heard me a
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block away I ran towards my home neighborhood but my dad happened to see me and called up
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now as he stopped ahead of me I jumped into the passenger and seat yelling go go
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he asked me what the hell was I yelling for I couldn't answer him I was absolutely
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freaked out the 10 minute drive home was surreal as I was thinking about what I had
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experienced and what was going what I was going to tell my dad and when we got home and after I calmed
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down a bit my mom and dad dining room table with me and listened to my description of the encounter
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they listened They Knew by my demeanor that something had really occurred
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and later that night while I was in my room watching television my dad came into my room and wanted to talk
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he told me about an encounter that he had had several years ago previously with a deer while he and my uncle were
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hunting into nearby mountains his description was very much like mine
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he had told my mom about it at the time so now I know why they didn't question
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my sanity when we talked can you tell me what I encountered that
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day I see references to wendigos and not deer when I started the research on Google
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is that what I witnessed is that what my dad witnessed thanks
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so I wrote back to which describe some of the not your sightings I've received in the encounters had been reported in
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the Appalachian Mountainside the forest he was talking about was George Washington National Forest which is also
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where the Appalachian Trail runs through in Southwest Virginia now relatively
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close to this location uh that I believe this first report um
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you proceed describing multiple not deer so um you know that rarely do we get
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multiple sightings at one time I mean they're usually just singular sightings
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but they had two deer act in the same manners pretty unused
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there's another one from South Central Virginia I live in the mountains I lived in the mountains South West
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South Central Virginia a pretty rural area my house is a townhouse in a
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neighborhood right next to a middle school and I've lived in this house for over 10 years and frequently went on
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walks during the daytime all around the neighborhood itself plus the surrounding buildings and woods
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but I've never gone on a walk at night here after starting College I got very
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accustomed to taking walks around my campus at night when the weather is nice so now that I'm
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home for winter break in Virginia is one of the weirdly warm winter months
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I decided I may go well I I may as well go on a walk at
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night since it's a safe area and night walks are almost daily routine for me now
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so I leave my house at around midnight I walk over to the middle school I sit
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down on the track the track is a concrete oval that goes around the soccer field
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I'm just sitting there relaxing listening to music with one earbud in I also had lit a candle on the ground a
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foot from me which sounds kind of weird of me to have but now that I type I mean now that I
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type it out now lighting candles while I sit and chill somewhere outside is just a habit of mine so I developed I
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developed it from having a ton of candles and being unable to light them in my room at college
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I hear what sounded like a cough so I instantly stopped my music and
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start looking around I don't see anything but um extremely
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paranoid person so I'm on edge even though everything seems fine I just sit there doing nothing for maybe
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one or two minutes and I start settling back down so I'm almost fully relaxed and then I
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hear the cough again and I see something Sprint on its back legs
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across the field faster than I've ever seen anything moved before and it gets to the other end of the field and then
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continues to stand there on its hind legs I couldn't see it super well because it
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was dark and far away since I had just heard coughing and I was right it was running on two leaves on legs I
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initially thought it was just the first but when it I was when it was standing
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there I could see those two large and weirdly proportioned to be a human
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it was also screeching the whole time like an incredibly loud horror movie
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creature screeching that made my ears ring it looked like its back was to me so I
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took the opportunity to pack up and Sprint home now I'm physically disabled and I can
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move around just fine but never very quickly I literally cannot think of another time
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in my life whenever I ran that fast the only sort of paranormal thing I
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believe is it's plain old ghost as soon as I got home I texted my friends about it and Googled all I could
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everyone I texted reassured me was probably just an injured or dis or
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disease since it you know a deer it made the deer act weirdly you know that can
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make a deer act weird like that so that's a little reassuring but at the
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same time I'm Googling about deer running on hind legs and screeching their head off
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and while as deeply documented occurrence and other pictures and videos on any websites or anywhere near what I
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saw I've read the scriptures of deer running on their hind legs and I watch videos of
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it in other videos I've really matched up to how strangely fast this thing was
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moving like it was just basically a blur running past me so I don't know what he
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thought maybe it was enough there may be something else he does
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so um this next encounter happened uh it doesn't say I can't stop they said
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it's fairly recent I couldn't stop thinking about it my family as a small formstead in the middle of
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nowhere Central Texas to the southeast of Austin the very rural all dirt roads only a
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couple of neighbors within a mile or so I usually walk with my dog into thick Woods on our property but sometimes we
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walk along the dirt roads because it's like we added to ourselves maybe five six cars will pass by our
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place in the country road during a given day and we were walking along the dirt road
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back home when we heard something crash in the woods off to our left
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I looked closely but didn't see anything he just figured it was an animal or a branch falling no big deal
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a few more steps and two coyotes burst out of the woods and crossed the road right in front of us
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this is weird because it's late in the day for coyoto's deactive but more so
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because they look huge for coyotes almost like wool size and we don't have
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wolves here anymore one of them looks kind of hunched over like it's hurt or it's a bipedal animal
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looping Along on all fours for some reason
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note and this comes to play later that I saw absolutely no antlers or anything my
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dog starts to act out of character okay so these big possibly injured coyotes run into the brush on the other
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side of the road my dog and I kind of stand there for a bit but then move on it's a country road and
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there are coyotes so whatever we round a corner here Here Comes one of
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the coyotes crossing the road again fast it scoots under the fence
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and I watch it run across the pasture pass some cattle who are totally unbothered by this big Predator running
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by that I call my dog back to me because I know the second was probably about to pop out
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and I don't want her getting in a fight but she definitely would lose here's where it gets a little weird
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doorknob outruns the second one it's the hunched over an injured looking one
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hits the fence line where there's a lot of low scrubby brush
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I wait for it to pop out on the other side and start watching to see how these cows are going to react
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but it doesn't come out kind of just disappears into a tiny patch of brush
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which doesn't seem at all big or dense enough to conceal it we slowly move closer to the fence
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to see if this coyotes hurt or hung up in the fence or something suddenly one of the biggest most majestic bucks
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male deer I've ever seen around here pops out of this fence line
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and runs into the field his antlers were huge big boy taller and
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more musculine most of our Central Texas deer he runs along a bit and then just turns
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and watches us he got closer to the fence to see what
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was up with the coyote but there was no coyote
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and know where a coyote could have hidden the deer still watching us and I don't know what to do so I just Shout
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good morning and say something I um we mean you no
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harm and walked home so yeah the big injured coyote kind of morphed into a big healthy Buck before
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my very eyes I guess it was probably a dear all along slumped down and slinking fast away from
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the coyote but that's weird because hey I saw the coyote twice and it looked like a coyote and had no antlers and B
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a big buck isn't going to run away from a lone coyote things are crazy out there in the sticks
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sometimes even in the middle of the day that's a weird one I have heard about
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him shaped there's been Shape Shifters uh you know I don't know if that's
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really part of the phenomena with the not gear but I thought that was kind of an interesting account
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uh the next account I was about 15 years old and I was going rifle hunting with
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my dad in Hell's Canyon area of northern Idaho not far from where we lived
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I had been bow hunting with my dad for about five years at that point we decided it was now old enough to care I
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was out now old enough to carry a gun so we went out to my dad's tree stand
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early one morning we had been there for a few hours and had not really heard or seen anything
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been about 50 yards away we saw a buck peek its head out into a clearing it was
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a beautiful eight point I raised my rifle and waited for it to step more into the clearing
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looking at it through my scope I noticed something was off about the way it moved
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as it came more into the open I noticed the bird looked weird by the
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right shoulder or the front shoulder I told my dad maybe we shouldn't shoot
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this one as it may be diseased or something and Dad pulled up his binoculars and looked under his breath
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he said what the hell now my dad outside of watching sports
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never cussed so they called me on guard I raised my
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gun and looked at it again the deer was fully and clear now and I could get a good look
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the front legs weren't legs at all they look like muscular human arms
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as if it was a buff guy in a suit but it didn't have hands it had Hooves
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on the end I asked my dad what to do and he said I have no idea shoot
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your gun in the air scare It Off he didn't want me shooting at it at it in case it was a person so I
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asked my dad why a person dressed as a deer would be in deep in the woods during hunting season he replied people
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are stupid I assume he was trying to stay as calm as he could
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I was about to freak out I fired my gun and it took off now we got to understand and walked to the
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area where we saw it now there were no tracks at all it had just rained a few
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days earlier so the ground was fairly soft and we could easily see our Footprints
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my dad's pretty good tracker but he saw no signs of anything in the area we decided to pack up and head back to
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the truck now we never really talked about it again and just brushed it off was a weird thing we saw we continue to
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hunt the area for several years after that so the next account I wanted to share my
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story on my own for quite some time I grew up in a rural part of Utah
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since we lived down south in the relatively boring area the only people
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boring area the only people we really saw were the Amish riding behind their carriage or an occasional traveler
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looking for abandoned property to explore um
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there wasn't a lot to do now when I wasn't helping my mom or plucking my
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banjo I often go out to the wheat field and climb up on my pops broken down
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tractor up there I could catch all kinds of lizards and snakes and if I was lucky I
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could see the deer walking through our wheat building to the bushy Forest so one incredibly hot afternoon
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I saw a line of deer emerge from the forest I always watched intently because if I
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was lucky I'd get to see one of the real big antlers leading the pack
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I saw the oddest thing that time even to my 10 year old mind I knew it this
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wasn't right the buck in the very front of the herd was walking on two legs
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now I've seen a lot of deer on their hind legs in my day usually when they fight
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it looks unnatural and strained but this Buck was walking on its two hind legs so
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casually and comfortably arms swinging at its sides as it walked along the
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trail like a human wearing a deer costume now we feel it isn't small by any means
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and I saw this Buck stride a good half mile almost into the bush before turning
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and staring directly at me man now let me tell you I'm I'll never
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not never in my life felt so much fear now before it met my eyes I was watching
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this creature with curiosity and confusion it was now Frozen absolute horror
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I don't know how to describe the fear and the dread that overcame me at the moment the closest feeling I can describe is
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that when we're about to get into a you're about to get into the car crash and you
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can't doing about it but all one oral warning signals fight or flight reflexes
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and the adrenaline are going off your head at once I was shaking to my core but I was
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unable to move from the tractor now this book stared at me for what felt like ours but it was most likely only a few
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moments then this creature walked into the forest along with his herd
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and I never seen anything like it in this to this day my mom told me I saw a
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knot there like the white man's version of a skinwalker turns out my cow chasing
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neighbor had seen a few too although his stories are much scary in mine whatever it was
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I'm glad it took off and left me alone
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so the next accountant here in Sleepy Hollow New York we have all kinds of crazy things the Headless Horseman is
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not one of them ghost demons and aliens every summer we see Ghost Hunters here
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but never in the winter until last year and we were playing paintball in the
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wintertime a group of 10 players who played for an hour before we ran out of paintballs
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retreated to the Rock Bridge to build a fire like we usually do my brother George and I heard something
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to the right and because there are leaves on the trees and there was snow on the ground the moon was bright and it
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illuminated this deer it was a normal looking deer it had no
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tail and the eyes were too far apart it also had an awful stench like death
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I told my brother not to make a sound now George is not one for Ghost and and didn't believe it fairy tales
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but when he saw it he's beside himself before we could turn around it saw us
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and screamed at us the rest of the crew heard it and wondered why we were freaking out
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we ran past him yelling let's go let's go now now they saw what we saw and they took off
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with us this thing was super fast the exit was a good mile run on the aqueduct Trail
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it took us 10 minutes to get back to the road we see the light on the road coming as
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we are getting close but this thing was right behind us screaming would get to the lake on the road and it
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stopped it's looking at us screaming The Neighbors come out cussing ass for
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all the noise and that she called the cops then she saw what we saw and ran inside
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screaming now as the cops show up this thing took off but my brother and I took a picture of
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this thing we got some great shots we showed them this thing to um
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to the cops and they told us not to come out here at night long story short we
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never talk about this and I don't like talking about it now a cousin is a cop here in town
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he was one of the cops that responded that night he's still until this day is scared to drive up there at night time
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so yes things have panic things you can't explain are real come to Sleepy
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Hollow New York you never know what you might see I wish I had the photographs this guy never sent any photographs to
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me so I assume he gave them to the cops I don't know
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speaking of Sleepy Hollow I've heard a lot of weird stories up there seriously they're just there's a lot going on up
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there so this doesn't surprise me
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now the next account it was about 11 p.m on a warm summer night and I was driving home from a friend's house on a roll
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back road here in Connecticut now from a distance I could see a police car with its lights on pulled up in the
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middle of my Lane park side by side with a pickup truck our first instinct was that maybe the
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truck had hit something or been pulled over but it was weird because the cop wasn't pulled up behind a truck like they
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usually do as part parallel to it I had my windows down because it was
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nice out and I could hear the cop in a man the car shouting in conversation through their windows
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I listened to the two talk from their windows and overheard the man in the truck say something like man something
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isn't right it's not hit or injured I just found it like that
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now this grown man had genuine fear in his voice it was just pointing frankly out his
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window going on and going about how they should just shoot it
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I turned my attention in the direction where this guy and copper pointing at and my headlights illuminate the sight
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of a deer that is sitting directly behind beside the cop's car
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it was extremely weird because the deer was sitting in perfect alignment with yellow lines on the road
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is that as if it had been intentionally trying to place itself there in direct middle of the two lanes
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this thing will actually look a proper statue the way it was assembled the way it has assembled itself
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now I can see a liquid pulled around the deer that I assume was blood
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until I realized that the deer was seemingly on injured and showed no visible signs of wounds or blood
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while scanning the scene from my car behind the cop I realized the liquid that was pulling around it wasn't blood
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but was Salata that was falling from the animal's mouth like a waterfall
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and collecting all over the road and down its neck its head was weirdly shaped skinnier
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than it should have contrasted to a giant body
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it was bobbling like a bobble head on a dashboard staring straight into the direction of the cop in the truck
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it looked hypnotized or something I thought maybe it had rabies
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and I kind of tuned into my then I kind of tuned into my body and my stomach and knotted up and my heart started to race
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I can't describe the feeling here but it sort of felt like I realized that time
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was moving super slow like a dream or a daze I was deciding if I should just wait
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there behind the Cars and go around the scene in the opposite lane when I noticed something else that was so off
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this deer was sitting in a position that a nerd me to no end the animal is literally sitting
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crisscross with its legs and its joints all contorted and pretzled in a way that
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seemed physically impossible unless it had been manipulated by someone that did that
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it was even more weird that it was sitting in that this way in the middle of the road and directly aligned with
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the yellow line it all looks so off in a disconnected
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and time-bending way I immediately felt this unfamiliar paralyzing fear inside my stomach and
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chest I felt like I was seeing something I shouldn't have or was someplace I
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shouldn't be I just wanted to get out of there so I slowly to avoid interaction with the cop veered into the opposite
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lane encrypt by the deer my intuition was strongly telling me not
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to look up my passenger side windows I inch past the animal who was now at eye
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level of my car and two feet away I ended up looking and when I did
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it was like this thing new before my eyes even hit it that I was looking at it the deer shot its head around to face
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me and locked eyes with me right as I looked at it I will never ever forget its eyes the
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feeling that he booked on me they were black darker than Shadows black and stared at me with some kind of
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intention or intelligence or something I was physically paralyzed and drawn to
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the complete stop for what felt like minutes while this deer just stared at me with its cold eyes
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I know this sounds crazy maybe it was just the fear but those moments I was
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making eye contact with it I felt like I was in a trance and like my whole life
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was sort of flashing before my eyes in a dreamy and terrifying way
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I felt like 10 seconds became 10 minutes in a weird vulnerability Like a Stranger
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walked in on me naked every hair in my body was standing up
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and my heart was racing and then it all just stopped and I snapped out of it and
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Drew on I was terrified the whole way home but also secure is for an explanation
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I'm trying to convince myself that was just a sick deer or that it was hit or maybe internally injured
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but some many details of How It's laser crossed and how it was placed and how I
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knew Allen knew that I was looking at it before I did and how its eyes looked and
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made me feel it all just felt weirdly paranormal unexplained
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I immediately hit the internet when I got home and discovered those diseases that make deer act off for first time
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heard about the not deer that logical side of me wants to chalk that experience I had up as a disease
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dear but the part of me that that felt and saw what I did just
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thinks there's something more to it and it was the hands down scariest experience of my life it really shook me
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for a while I felt unsettled around the deer ever since then around deer ever since and even though
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before the experience I used to really enjoy seeing them I like to know how to explain what I saw
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and experienced and that I what I experienced tonight but I'll never forget it
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so if you have a question go ahead and put it up this is my last account coming up
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so this is a very strange occurrence from what I was told since I hear that most not dear
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are founded in northern states near the Great Lakes furthermore this happened midday which is very rare let me tell
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you the story at the time I lived close to a park by the name of Bluff Creek
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right inside Hefner lake in northern northern Oklahoma City excuse me in
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Northern Oklahoma City it was a small apartment complex located in a Nook of Woodland areas hiking
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trails and large grassland pastures the place had a sanction ripped off area
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as a deer reservation where the herds would breed and it was a place where deer could live freely without being
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haunted this was such a lovely place to explore in well until this occurs
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so it was late in the afternoon early evening around 6 pm when I was eating a bag of Doritos and
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cuddling my boyfriend he was playing Red Dead Redemption on the Xbox suddenly I hear three knocks on our door
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we weren't expecting any delivery food or guests and we lived on the second floor I just for context our stairs were
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placed on the inside of our apartment so the the front door was ground level
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my boyfriend preoccupied with this game paid no attention to the noise coming from the door
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so I went down to go and see who was there probably just someone offering an extended vehicle warranty or something
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stupid like that so I hop down the creaky stairs and felt a presence
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lo and behold through the people I witnessed a deer not just any deer either
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it was standing on its back legs staring at me dead on and very peculiar blue
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eyes that looked like human eyes not an animal
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what in the world just then I caught a whiff of rotten flesh
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I turned around and shouted babe what the hell ugh
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laughing nervously I was certain he didn't hear me so I yelled out again baby you need to come see this
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he hurried downstairs and looked through the people he swiftly turned to me and replied what I don't see anything
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and he said oh what is that smell what I swear I'm not crazy and I opened
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the door there it was with its back turned to both of us a weirdly misshapen deer with
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legs that were not bent correctly at all we had plenty of experience seeing deer
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this was not a regular deer by any means it looked hellish its neck was a shorter bony
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skeletal-like neck it slowly snarled its lips and peered back over
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her shoulder at us wow a swarm of Lies surrounded its body
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I noticed that it's hot and who's were loose and so there were some of its teeth hanging out of the sockets while
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it it reached to lick the sides of its mouth with its drooling tongue
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deer don't have sharp teeth babe get in and shut the door my boyfriend uttered I being an idiot and
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not noticing said it's a deer it looks sick should we try to help it my boyfriend grabbed me by the back of my
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top and pulled me inside as fast as we shut the door tightly
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I was surprised that he didn't rip the spaghetti straps right off my body I'm
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glad that you didn't waste any time doing so but what happens next I can't explain
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or slammed against the entire side of the apartment building it sounded like a truck ran into the
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side of our building because the noise was so loud luckily the structure held just fine but
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I'm so thankful for that and we could have been goners we trembled together laying there on the
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bottom of the staircase looking into each other's eyes terrified you know what the hell that was you whispered
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yes I said slowly unsure what I just had what had just happened we both looked we both looked it
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upstairs and grabbed our hunting knives for protection for the rest of that evening let's just say I double checked the
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locks that night I guess we had surveillance footage of it but since the apartment has no
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plug-ins in the bottom of the staircase it shall remain unseen to the outside world
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shall be a memory that'll hold with me for the rest of my life so I don't I don't know if the deer hit the side of
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the building and made that racket or not you know they really don't go into detail but she seemed to know what it
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was so I I don't know that's just so weird but anyway if you've got questions just
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go to it uh when eyes thank you for the
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contribution and Nancy has been a member for 23 months
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thank you all
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okay let's see here Nancy Malcolm have any not deer had an autopsy done
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could it be like a deer mad cow disease well you know some people think that's what it is it's some type of wasting
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disease some people call it Zombie Syndrome I don't know what that is um I don't know of any um I don't know
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any necropacies none of these these animals uh but um yeah I'd like to know
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more or less uh Marla Snyder many reports are not there being aggressive
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um maybe a few
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offhand I can't remember of any I I think there have been some Bluff
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charges but I don't think I mean there's been no physical contact when I remember
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I had I have had other sightings and maybe I'll go through some more of them and present them at a later date but no
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I don't I don't remember any what are the species of not deer please for the most part they're uh they're
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whitetail deer now at West I think we had a couple mule deer uh maybe a black deal or two but most
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most of the sightings which well all the sightings here in apple in the Appalachians in here in eastern part of
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the United States have been Whitetail unless Thomas Carroll has any
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information as another species of deer around you I don't think it's true though I mean I used to hunt here myself
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so I've never heard of anything else but who knows what these things are either
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George penguin are there any reports of not deer from the Carolinas I'm sure there are I had to dig it up
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um especially in Western North Carolina in in the uh because I
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have family in Western North Carolina up the Mounds of the Appalachia or Great Smokies and
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um I've heard people talk about strange deer
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activity as well so I'll dig through it and see what I can come up with
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uh George penglet they exist what could be their origin Supernatural extraterrestrial
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I don't know you know it's just like anything else I mean we even get reports of these things shape-shifting
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are they are a data disease deer you know I'm thinking offhand that may be it
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or some type of mutation be honestly you know and you heard the reports
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there's just really no explanation for a lot of this stuff
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Marla or not dear evil verber yeah verbal yeah they scream
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uh I don't know if I've ever heard of one talking but I I know they scream a lot
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um a lot of times they'd grunt but you know you know if you're familiar with
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whitetail deer or when they're in a rut you get a male deer will Grunt and stick his nose on their ground and follow a
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female I mean when they're in rut they do all kinds of crazy things but a lot of these were during the summer and
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other times when they're not even in the ruts so um I can't explain that
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Robo 1776 lawn are the deer creatures considered to decrypted as any reports
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in Washington state we've had reports from all over the country now I mean most of the Earl reports were out in um
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but just in the Appalachians but I've had them out on the west coast as well
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um maybe not as dramatic as the ones here in the East but there have been reports
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Kansas watch or windigo and not do the same thing
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you know this this is kind of a misunderstanding
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about wendigo Wendy goes you know you hear the the thing about
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they have a deer they have a deer shape or deer head to have antlers for the most part one to go are humans
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um there a human with some type of diseased mind a lot of times they have
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cannibal tendencies um Chad Lewis wrote a great book about
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wendigo's you ought to look at it and read it it's probably the best the best description of when it goes in case File
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that I've ever read uh so if you look into um
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you go into Amazon and check out Chad Lewis's books the wendigo book is excellent
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and if you look back into my archive I did interview Chad about that
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so um there's a lot of information about the Wendigo mortal klown have any deer been cited
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during UFO abductions not that I can think of
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um no I I can't offhand think of any
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good question though sir Wolfe do you ever communicate do they ever communicate mind speak
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no I don't know if I've even gotten that I mean uh
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I I think the visceral reaction to people
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is just uh I don't know I just don't really ever remember anybody talking about some
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type of mind-speak scenario not like it would with a Bigfoot or a dog man or an upright canine
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1776 thanked for the super sticker appreciate it
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and thank you immortal clown for your donation very much appreciated
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Nancy Malcolm or any not dear sighted near military bases or Labs you know it
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could be uh specifically I can't really say um
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as far as those those areas that I do know of or suspect of being military
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Labs or bases I I just don't really see a correlation but there could be
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that's something I had to look into what a clown what about any other scary
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ungulates like moose never heard of a moose acting like a
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knot there
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