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hey folks good evening and thanks for joining me tonight on Phantoms and monsters radio I welcome all new
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listeners and members to the channel as well as first timers in the chat now my guest tonight is Rissa
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Miller again we're going to be talking about something different than we did the last time Rissa Miller is an editor
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author herbalist Seer and story Storyteller her storytelling expertise
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stems from extensive research into the area of esoteric history including ghost
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witchcraft uh Cryptids and folklore now Rissa believes the most enduring stories
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teach us not only about Humanity's past but also give us a reason to reflect on
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our own present beliefs and realities her approach to the Paranormal involves
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an indepth historical research layered with firsthand accounts
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inspired by her first ghost experience in New York England at the age of eight
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which happened after a tour Rissa Miller became a history guide when she was 15
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her first gig was with the colonial complex still operated by York County
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Historical History Center uh she went on to study at New York University Tish
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school and was an award-winning editor at the Baltimore Sun early in her career
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and riss is also a member of the Phantoms and monsters 14 Research team now tonight's subject is going to
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be about hell house now hell housee is the nickname given to St Mary's College
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located on a granite Cliff overlooking the Patapsco River in Ilchester
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Maryland now this college was originally set up as a Roman Catholic Seminary
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during the 19th century and was closed about a century later this college
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gained its nickname because of the numerous Legends and rumors surrounding the institution which includes stories
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of satanic worship and ghost now for 20 years I worked as an
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engineer for the paperboard processing plant that was located directly across pabco River from the abandoned St Mary's
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College now I was aware of the supposed Legends associated with hell house as
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well as a investigated various reporting reported hauntings en crypted activity
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along matsco river Ry from the headquarters near Mount area through El
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City and where the river empties into Baltimore's in Harbor in the Chesapeake Bay and in fact my Bigfoot encounter in
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1981 near Sykesville Maryland was also in the pabco river valley so that being
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said let's go ahead and let's get started
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of them during and after the presentation so hello Risa how are you
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this evening very well thanks how about you how are you doing I'm hanging in there well you know we're I'm I'm not a
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winter guy I I I don't particularly care for a winter and it's been little dicey
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around here this past couple of days and it's getting cold so the snow is so pretty
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though I'm I'm not snow guy I I will be honest with you I don't enjoy being cold
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but I do think winter is beautiful so well you know one place I not like to
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be right now though is Hell House in elica City because uh man going up those
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steps right now would be treacherous absolutely that and that
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place has got a lot of footfalls everywhere oh yes you know it hasn't been that long since I was there and um
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you know I was looking at your chat a moment ago and a lot of people are saying they have a Hell House in their area Hell House is a common name um
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there are I believe eight movies with the name and uh including one from 1932
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with Betty Davis and also uh there are lot of haunted sites called Hell House
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that just happens to be the name that it got attached to this site St Mary's College because that happened during the
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satanic Panic um but it is a very beautiful place that is very mysterious
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as I'm sure you know and uh getting up those 66 steps which are dilapidated and
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in terrible shape right now in this cold weather with any ice possible would be truly frightening truly terrifying
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absolutely you know I haven't been down for a long time and um and you have sent
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me pictures of certain well in fact the the mill where I used to work at is
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totally gone now yeah and there's a few other things they added it's part of the state parkco state park now yep and um
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yep yep that there it is and uh yeah
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that I I'm going to have to get down there and you and I are going to have to do some exploring because I got a few
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stories I can tell you while we're down there too oh I love that yeah so go
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ahead and tell us a bit about what you've researched what you found out a few other Oddball things cons considered
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part of Hell House well let me start at the very beginning of the story so um
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before the elat came uh this was susqu hanok land but they didn't live there
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this was considered um hunting land because there were uh the the tribes that lived there believe there was
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something mystical about this crossing of the rivers and since you personally have been to the crossing of the rivers
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you probably know exactly what I mean um there's also something dangerous
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about the crossing of these rivers and I'm going to talk more about floods later but um in in just the past few
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years there have been two massive floods that happened at the Crossing of the Patapsco and Tyber Rivers right where El
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city is located and I'm going to emphasize this more than once the bapco river goes right past the property where
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Hell House was was located so all of that said um this property was
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originally um thought it was going to be great for milling and there was a mill put in there before um the property that
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became Hell House was ever used so uh I have I did send you a historic photo of
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what the original Ilchester Mill looked like it was called dismal Mill back then I'm not making that up it was really
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called dismal Mill um a lot of times I say that to people and they think I'm kidding I'm not it was dismal Mill
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and um uh that's actually this is much later this is when the rail St station
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came in in the 1800s but um in the 1700s sisal Mill went in and um later George
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elit Jr decid not the this this is um
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they were the elate brothers and then their kids and then he would be a grandson of the the original elat that built elate City George elate Jr built a
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grand house there um absolutely breathtaking he kind of based it on his father's house now his father's house
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still stands George elet's house is still in elut city um they had to pick
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it up and move it because it was on the flood plane um but it's still there and it is that Granite that amazing elate
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City granite and uh his son's house became the lower part of Hell house but
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it's actually George elica jior that starts the ghost the ghost stories begin because of him so he that's the that's
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the flood we're not there yet that's in 1868 but um George elet's house goes in
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and um they decide that this is going to be a great train stop they're putting in
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the what becomes the B&O line the one this the train station still exists in Baltimore and in elica City those
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original 13 lucky miles of track and it's now owned by um CSX Transportation
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it's still an active line so I I really want to emphasize that as we're talking about it you can go to these places now
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but that train line is active and it hasn't been that long since someone has died on that track um exploring so
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please be careful if you go there understand these tracks are live that this is a real train line and trains run
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there every day so George Alex Jr puts his house in he thinks it's going to be a a Tavern
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and people are going to stay there and eat there and the train is going to stop there but that's not what happens the train does not stop there the train
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stops a few miles down the road in El Mills what we now think of as El City and basically he's got this
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property that is like a dead dead in the water so um this gorgeous house it has
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fountains and Gardens it's absolutely breathtaking um unfortunately he um it
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because it's like a a huge loss for him and so he decides to sell well everybody knows it's a sinker so
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um nobody wants to buy until the um it's
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it's the Roman Catholic church but it's a particular group it's the redemptorists they look at it and go
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this would be a great school now looking back in history this is a time when um there was a lot of
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immigration there was a lot of new people coming it's After the Revolution and um there's a shortage of Catholic
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priests and I know it's hard to imagine today when the Catholicism is really declining an interest but at that time
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there were like 250,000 Catholics and only a few priests in America to attend to them so there
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was a huge demand for training for priests and um seminaries were like
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busting at the seams like they couldn't even keep up with it so the Catholic Church the redempt tourist specifically
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purchased this property from George elica Jr and it's not big enough it's already immediately not big enough and
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so they decide to put in the uh big school behind now I I know
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I sent to you I don't know if it's available a picture of what that school looked like um it is absolutely a
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breathtaking property in its day um in fact the uh Maryland historic
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preservation Society considers the St Mary's College Seminary main building to
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be the Premier Building most beautiful building ever built in America this is
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actually a fantastic um this is not the main house but this is George elica JR's house here in the very middle um that is
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the home that George elica Jr built thinking that it would be his house and the tavern and um a great success for
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him and then the lower building on the uh other side of your screen close to where Lon I pictures are that's the
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original Mill building um right you can see it's right next to the water it was highly functional it was great because
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for those who don't know elate City it was originally elate Mills it was founded by three Quaker brothers and
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they came in and they started growing grain crops now everywhere else in this part of Maryland they were growing
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tobacco which is not a natural crop that wants to grow in Maryland so these Quaker Brothers came in and started
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growing grains oh my gosh they were so successful elant Mills became one of the
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most important areas for flour and corn in the United States so um in the early
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United States I should say and there was a mill in El city until 2020 that was
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when the last Mill left elate City so it was that important of a piece of the economy of elate City for hundreds of
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years yeah that was the old Washington flower meal yes that was the one had the Indian had meal that was such a good
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cornmeal yeah all right so you could see in this drawing that there's the Patapsco River um and a lot of the old
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historic writing they call it a Babbling Brook this is not a Babbling Brook for those of you who don't know the Patapsco
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is a river it is significant it has taken many lives um it is not a Babbling
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Brook uh so just so everybody's completely clear on what we're looking at here Patapsco River significant River
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very powerful when it wants to be so um and then you can also see this is the
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bno train that went in this is before they built the Ilchester tunnel which is another whole subject but uh when you
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want to talk about hauntings and legends but um the bridge came first and this bridge went around one of these very
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significant Hills that make up the Seven Hills area of el City the reason the
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train couldn't stop at Ilchester and then go into elant Mills is because these were steam trains this could not
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literally get enough steam between Ilchester and El City to make it around the last Hill to get through so there
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was no way it could stop at Ilchester it was just a u technical
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impossibility so this is a little bit of the background now once the brothers purchase the building it becomes a quiet
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place they're going to study and pray and train young men to become priest which was at that time an in demand
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thing in the United States and they were successful there for like 100 years the
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um the St Mary Seminary does beautifully they they have 100 150 students at their
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Pinnacle at the school at a time um they build this amazing property up on the
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hill it was a black and white photograph I've sent of it I don't know if it's available but um it is absolutely a a
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phenomenal architectural structure in the history of Maryland so it's gone now
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to be clear that doesn't exist anymore for a lot of reasons we we'll go into some of those as we get into the lore
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but the first ghost story comes from John I'm sorry uh George elica Jr some
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people have reported seeing a man in 1800's clothing walking around and uh
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the lore in ela city is that it is George elica Jr now he did die only two
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years after he sold the uh property to the redemptorists so was he still
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disgruntled was he upset that his uh land never really got used for anything or was he upset that it fell into
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disrepair um was he upset that his house burned down in um 1868 I'm sorry 1968 I
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don't know um but I did interview several people that said they saw a man
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and what looks like Victorian attire walking around and that he seems disgruntled and angry now interestingly
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just enough elica city is one of the most haunted places I think I've ever been I would pit it against Gettysburg
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any day of the week I would put them up to the Pepsi challenge any old time um so is it possible I know that's a bold
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statement come at me I don't care I think so um I have been in both places I
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think El City's got a going on if you are into the Paranormal so this one site alone Hell
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House is is formidable when it comes to the Paranormal so could this be George
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elica Jr I mean it could be uh this ghost does not appear to be super interactive he appears to kind of like
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come and go very quickly he's very ethereal um he does appear though in spectral form which is a very powerful
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thing elica city does have a lot of spectral forms um I had been a ghost
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tour guide there for many years I have collected dozens and dozens of stories from residents um and tourists I I have
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seen a lot there myself um I would say that seeing a spectral form anywhere in
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El city is not surprising L I know that you've seen a spectral form in El City I've had some encounters too yeah so um
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now this this Victorian male ghost it does not appear to be a highly interactive Spirit um I don't know from
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the stories I've heard if this could be a residual it could be because nobody seems to talk to it nobody seems to
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interact with him and he seems to appear down sort of near where the tracks are which would have been where the lower
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house was so maybe this is simply a residual and you could still be a grumpy
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residual you know so that's a thing but um that is the very first uh I guess
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historically speaking ghost story that I've got um that with several people having seen him so that is not though
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what makes this site famous uh the fame came later so let's go next to 18 68 um
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the school is open now and things just going along and that's when the big flood hits now anybody who knows elate
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City even who's watched the national news for the past few years knows that elica city has seen two devastating
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floods in the past uh five five six years I mean yes there were deaths yes
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there was a terrible tragic loss the one in 1868 which was the newspaper clip
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from The Washington Post that was up earlier this one was worse and it was
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even weirder so when the Patapsco River flooded this time it had only rained two
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inches according to the uh data charts of the time it is terrifying to think of
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what happens next because of the structure of how these two rivers are put together a wall that is 20 feet tall
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of water comes down the Patapsco and wipes out elate City so that Mill is
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gone um 40 lives are lost uh some Reports say 43 um it was an absolutely devastating
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flood when I was reading some of the accounts from the old news stories it was I I mean it was kind of like I was
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ready to gasp sitting in the research Library they were saying that people were grabbing onto a roof of a building
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and getting swept down to the next roof when that house would collapse they get swept down to the next um we had some
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bad floods there recently but they were not like that and uh it it sounded
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absolutely devastating and terrifying in a fascinating note afterwards a lot of
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local people said that the bad luck of having this flood in 1868 was because
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the redemp tourist built the School on the hill and they said that God was angry that someone had came and built on
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his property now that doesn't make a lot of sense to me logically um as far as I
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can tell the redempt tourist did an amazing job uh taking care of that property and I
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don't know why anybody would have been angry about it um and I think that this is just one of those very unfortunate
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things that this particular spot um it is destined to have floods it just
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simply is uh because of the structure of the land it has gotten worse in the past
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few years because of development so um that said um that was
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the first major happening after the redemptor came moving forward in time they have a
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really good otherwise hundred years or so there I know that sounds like a long time um and it's it's a weird blip in
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the story but it it goes very well uh you know one of the big ghost stories about the the priests and students there
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is that students would get sick and die I'm here to tell you that is true it is 100% true that some of the young men or
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the priests could have gotten influenza or um tuberculosis or any number of
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other things and they would have passed away and been buried at the St Mary cemetery which is still there by the way
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um I I'm here to tell you that this this the stories of like hundreds of men dying and being buried in pits it's
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simply not true um that didn't happen um that's a fantastic piece of folklore but
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it's it's just not true so um yes students did die and um there was a girl
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school on the other Hill called Pepco female Institute PFI yes women died and got sick there too we have records of we
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have records of these things so this this did happen but um as far as that
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being a part of the horror story of Hell House no unfortunately U that's just
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folklore so um moving forward um there's
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a lot of stories about nuns being at this property I'm here to tell you that's also not true um there were never
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nuns there it was just men it was all men all the time and uh there were no
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nuns uh attacked there raped there hanged there or used in rituals there it
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just never happened because there weren't any nuns there were nuns in Maryland for sure and there were nuns in
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elate City they were on the other side of elate city across the river on the other Hill so just not a thing so um
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there's some good stories though if you like a scary story the story of the 12 nuns hanging over the pentagram uh on
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the floor is is a spooky one L you're laughing but you know the story I've
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heard it yeah um there was one of the first stories I heard about hell house but uh it's it's just not true there
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there were no nuns there so you know that's also the kind of thing a newspaper would have reported on and
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there's no newspaper story about that so yeah 12 12 nuns bodies wouldn't just
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disappear in elate city so um you know L I'm also just like going on and on if
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any any all right go ahead I mean you know you know I'll come I'll jump in if I have something pertinent to say
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because you know I I love I love storytelling and I love history absolutely okay so I do I do want to say
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one thing yeah um in in 1972 and in
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1975 uh that River was flooded badly in
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fact our Mill was shut down for six months until we got all the sand out of it uh from the river but uh the Agnes
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flood from Hurricane well from Hurricane tropical storm Agnes and the Elise flood
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from 1975 now that was just before I got there but of course I I talked to a lot
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of people and there were several people that died on that River in fact there
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were some real idiots that tried to get on boats and go from elegant City down
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the river and try to jump the dam at Simpkins and got you know they were they were
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killed I think found them down the inter horor somewhere probably I you know that's the thing I think when these
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rivers are low they look very small and gentle I think that's why historically they called it a Babbling Brook it's not
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a Babbling Brook it was always a river you know it was always significant and
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um I think that it's interesting how like the natives who lived there has so much respect for this this area and then
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when the Colonists came in they're like oh it's a Babbling Brook it it's not it's a very serious River
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yeah so so yeah um you know um when I worked
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on this project uh for the Historical Society in Howard County um one of the things I did was collect dozens and
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dozens and dozens of witness accounts from Hell House and the ones that I found most interesting were the ones
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that were similar um the people that their stories overlapped or they saw similar entities or you know kind of
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like the George elica Jr story um there's also a story that several people have seen and I'm pretty sure this is a
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residual a priest in vesence who like just walks through and then disappears so i' I've had I've collected several of
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those from people and I don't I don't get any impression from any of them that this was like a scary entity or a dark
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entity or anything like that it is my opinion as a historian that most of the
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dark feeling around Hell House property came from the Satanic Panic um for those
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of you listening who don't know what that is it's a period of time in the 80s when uh there was a moral panic in the
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United States and parts of Canada and um some of it was real and
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some of it was made up but a lot of it had to do with Satanic ritual abuse it was a time when people were kind of
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afraid of other uh when they thought everybody was a Satanist like they were suspect of their neighbors they were
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checking people for marks of the devil um where I went to school I was in Nursery School at the time um this was
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when I was a very little girl um they actually checked uh girls for the mark of the devil so um that was kind of a
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weird thing to have lived through and I was just as I got older I was like wait they used to do this with witches um so this is this is right
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where right where we were when looking at this kind of a thing so if you Google
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satanic Panic you will find that it was mostly spurred by movies and books and
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uh the media kind of snapped onto that and made it into a huge uge deal I mean it escalated quickly and kind of got out
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of control by the time the 1990s came around the thousands of people who had been in prisoned were uh mostly excused
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and said there the uh State Department was like our bad um there was actually nothing going on here but in the
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meantime people lost their jobs people lost their homes and a lot of properties became associated with
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Satanism and uh Hell House was one of them so was PFI actually um but they kind of went different sto different
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directions PFI got $110 million and got a revamp Hell House burned down so um
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without getting too far off topic PFI is a whole other story um the hell house
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property uh was abandoned by the brothers um and the priests um around
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the 1970s um their enrollment was down to 10 and um the redemp tourists picked
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up and moved to Wisconsin at that time where they built a retreat center and they are still there today they are
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still there today they are still operating um but now they have a retreat center not a seminary and there are
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still redemp tourists in Baltimore um St alfonsus downtown is a reden tourist
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Catholic church now there is some controversy right now in might close due to lack of funding um because interest
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in Catholicism as I said earlier is at an all-time low right now um if anybody
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here gets a chance to see St Alonso alons it's a beautiful Church um I don't know if you've ever been in atlon it's
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right on the right downtown it's really really a lovely spot um I don't have a photograph
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of it but um that said um they didn't they couldn't keep the
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school going so they left and then it was purchased by private investors and um it was purchased by a man who I got
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to learn a lot about during this process let me get his name correct um he he was an an investor in a lot of
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Mike nealdi um he was an investor in a lot of properties in elica city um he
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was a veteran he had served in Vietnam um he came back he was an engineer he worked for the government retired and
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then moved to El City and invested in a lot of properties that he was able to revamp and make into cool things he had
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a vision to save St Mary's College he wanted to turn it into like cool condos
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and an apartment um like a community unfortunately he was never able to get
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it resed he fought for years to get it resed and um he actually only died last I'm
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sorry in 2023 and he was never able to do anything with it and eventually it got
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annexed by it was resold again and then annexed by patasco State Park let me uh
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let me uh say a little bit about that um now I started working down there in
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1976 and I was there during the uh satanic Panic you know James Rouse who
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happens to be the grandfather of Ed Norton the actor yes uh he who built the
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Columbia uh Columbia mall and a lot of other malls over the country y he they
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were actually thinking about buying St Mary's and some of the property around there oh yeah it's beautiful land yeah
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it is and um but and that during that s that satanic Panic oh my God we had
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trouble with people getting on our property all the time coming into the mill you know I used to do guard Duty on
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sun nights and I'd hear all kinds of crazy stuff across that River and they
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used to have a guard there I was GNA talk about it yep he'd go off with his shotgun Ian he he he was crazy I mean it
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was so bad one night someone he did shoot someone I'll tell you about it let
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me find page here okay so the caretaker is another huge piece of the story of St
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Mary's right um and uh um I almost feel bad for the guy when
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I researched him um hang on I'm I have like 40 pages of notes in front of
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me so he lived there alone and he was hired to keep the property safe and you
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know I think if the satanic Panic never happened he would have been fine it there wouldn't have been a big deal uh
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but his name was Alan Rufus Hudson and uh he was called Old Man Rufus or the
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hermit locally that's what they called him old man Rufus you know yep old man Rufus his name again though was Allan
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and um last name Hudson so he was hired to keep the property safe and um as I
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read about him and I interviewed people who were cross paths with him do you remember the Scooby-Doo cartoon um where
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there'd always be someone who's like you meddling kids I kind of feel like that was his whole life his whole life was
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meddling kids coming up to Hell House to like walk around and take pictures and
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drink beer and and whatever else um and um sure enough um he he had a bad temper
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and he also had two rottweilers so you I don't know if you ever heard them barking yeah I have encountered one of
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them and one when I was hunting over there one time yeah yep yeah yep yeah so
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um he he definitely had the Rottweilers that is true I actually found I tracked out some of his family members so um he
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loved his dogs and he he did carry a Shotgun now legitimately legally the
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people going up there were trespassing they were illegally trespassing of private property that at that point
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could have still been developed now um it is fair to say the bottom house uh did burn in
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1968 so that was destroyed but it was still in Ruins um so it wasn't Beyond
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hope but that does change so um moving forward uh he in
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1996 uh his um story reaches sort of a climax when on May 11th three guys show
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up in in the middle of the night and harass him and uh they're illegally trespassing he gets them to leave and
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they come back at 6:00 a.m. with baseball bats to teach him a lesson even though they're the ones illegally
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trespassing he pulls out his shotgun and fires one shot and he hits a man in the side named Colt James Conroy he was 22
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um his friends Rush him to the hospital um I say Agnes I'm sure you remember it
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it's right nearby been in there a few times yeah I've been there too it life uh yes so yes they Rush him to St Agnes
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and he he does make it he survives getting a shotgun hit to his left side
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now um all of that said uh old man Rufus is put into prison and he is finally
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released on bail probably the owner of the property gets him out and um he
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never actually serves any time um the the young men were found to actually be illegally trespassing and um charges are
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are never actually pressed so all of that said um he died old man
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Rufus dies in 2005 at the age of only 55 and uh member of his family says the way
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I remember him best was looking like Grizzly Adams and how he liked to drink wild turkey and Chase it with whole
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milk so there's a little memorial for old man Rufus Alan Rufus Hudson actually
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the caretaker real human being um who actually lived on the hell house
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property now he was there when the big fire happens so let's talk about that next um
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it is on Halloween night in 1997 when old man Rufus loses his
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home arson has come and light up hell house um it is the night between
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Halloween and NES mortes um that night late and you could say early in the morning or late at night either way um
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this is an arson and when the Howard County and Baltimore County firefighters get there it's Hell House it's on the
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side of a hill it is really really hard to access and once they get Rufus and
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his dogs out they decide to let it burn because it would be too dangerous for the firefighters to go in so there's a
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lot of controversy about this this is an unsolved arson to this day nobody knows
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what happened nobody knows who burned it um I couldn't even find so also I I will
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tell you I did reach out to um how and Baltimore County Police Department State nobody got back to me to talk about this
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um even though I was doing research for the Historical Society nobody got back to me to talk about this well I can imagine going up Bonnie Branch Road was
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almost impossible with oh could you imagine I mean I don't know you've W if you walked up Jacob's Ladder it is not
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an easy walk could you imagine trying to fight a fire up there on those old historic buildings which are already unstable yeah it would be it would have
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been hazardous for the firefighters yes it was a historic property but I would
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imagine it was maybe the right call on the fire chief's part to let it go so um
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hell the buildings burn for the last time they are done and then um like I
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said old man Rufus loses his home um he no longer has a place to live and there's no building left there at that
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point to turn into anything um so it becomes more dilapidated more terrifying
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to look at um I did send some pictures from that time period that that the Historical Society were able to dig out
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so that you could see what it looks like around that time but um then there's the conspiracy theory that this was a do
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attack are you familiar with this one no do you know what do is direct energy
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weapon this is a real thing yeah I've heard references to it I left there in
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96 so I okay everything about what happened across the river at that time
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was told to me second hand or third hand you know a conspiracy Theory and I was
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able to conduct an anonymous interview with someone who works with these programs in the military he told me that
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these weapons were in development in 1997 but they they didn't exist en able
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to pinpoint an area like this until the late 2000s so he said this this is just a
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conspiracy theory a direct energy weapon is something like a laser or a microwave
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that can hit a very specific Target like an individual house right it's that
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specific so was a lot of controversy because of how the hell house uh remains
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looked the fact that all the metal melted um like it it was just so bizarre
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like even when you see the pictures it was just so bizarre how it looked afterwards um and there like the way the
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rubble looked the way things um there were zero glass shards like very strange
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like all of these things in a normal fire you would find but they just didn't exist after the hell house fire so um I
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did like I said I did check into that and it was just not technologically a thing yet in let is a drug treatment
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center still up there on Bonnie Branch you know I'm not sure about that there used to be a drug treatment center
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there for years yeah I have I have heard about it before but I'm not sure if it's
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still there or not I'd have to look into that to get the exact uh data okay so um
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anyhow um there have been some other things that have happened at Hell House besides ghost stories though and I
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wanted to make sure I mentioned that I did collect stories of UFO sightings there as well as a story that Goatman U
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one of Maryland's own Cryptids was seen there so are you fam you're familiar with Goatman I imagine oh yeah okay yeah
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I've been I've been down to Laurel and buoy and all i' I've done in I've done a lot of Investigations down there in the
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area so yeah so um I think Goat Man story is All Through Maryland you you
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hear people talk about Goatman all over the place so right you know he's made a
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he he must get around he must move a lot yeah um it's a lot it's a hell of a lot of walking from Beltsville where he
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started to walk up to elica city but you know maybe maybe he thought I'll get up to Hell House where there's nobody
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around and I'll hang out there but yes I did um there's apparently a reporting reported sighting of Goatman there um
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for those who don't know uh he is a u story that started at the Beltsville Agricultural Center um of a apparently a
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Mis um a misdirected uh experiment gone wrong
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um and he is apparently a violent crypted he's not one of the neutral ones
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um there's a one of the most infamous stories was that in 1971 he killed a dog
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named Ginger with an axe um off of Route One um that did actually happen oh yeah
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the the death happened there are newspaper clippings about it but with all the Bigfoot settings we've had in
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that area we've had a lot uh I I think the whole Goatman thing was
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a misidentification it may have been a Bigfoot uh because there had been a lot of sightings around there and uh even
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even in Howard County and of course when I had mine up on up by Sykesville yeah
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so U yeah it's that whole area has got a lot of Bigfoot lore so then I also have um I collected
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stories of UFO sightings from the region too when I put out the call for Ghost Stories some of these uh UFO sightings
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came in and uh I I was really I thought that was really interesting because this just seems like one of those spots
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that's just a paranormal hot bed um and the history doesn't support some of the
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stories like you know the nuns but the history does support some of the mysticism so um the UFO sightings
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usually comes from people who were climbing up Jacob's Ladder and i' I've climbed it myself it's it's it's a heck
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of a walk um it's 66 steps up um everybody says it's 69 it's not it's 66
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sorry but um it uh they say that when you're walking up sometimes you look up
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and you see these uh floating lights that are moving in ways that things shouldn't move and I always ask people
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could it have been a drone and there was they always tell me no that it didn't there was no sound that there was you
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know it couldn't have been a drone um and one of them said it was even before drones were a thing that he experienced
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it so well I I I tell you the psco river
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valley and especially there around Ilchester was the flight pattern going
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into BWI was right over that yes it does and uh we actually had a
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meteorite come through there in 1988 I saw it because I was in my
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department and I was I was on light shift and this big old green thing goes streaking up up the valley or down the
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valley yeah and uh that's not the only one we had a lot of strange slidings a
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lot of different things but I think most of the UFO active was probably flights coming into BWI BWI
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related you know that definitely could be true um but I I've even had people
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tell me they've seen a UFO activity over historic elette so and I'm like I don't
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I don't know how everybody else would miss it but you know what do I know um I've had a lot of unexplained experiences myself in elit just nothing
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to do with UFO although um I'll I did not send you this picture I should um I
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was giving a ghost tour once and I got a photograph from one of the people in the ghost tour that looks a heck of a lot
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like a gray looking out the window of one of the buildings um I I looked at it I looked
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at it and I was like he goes what ghost is this I was like I don't know it doesn't look like any of the ghosts that
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we've identified in that space it looks to me like a an alien and he goes that's what I thought too
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so wouldn't surprise me I was just like I don't know what he's doing in the old
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hospital but there he was so but yeah it's it's a super
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interesting picture um so yeah uh those are some of
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the other things that have happened there um I have so many random stories
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of of things that people have seen uh one of my favorites was a woman who went
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up there and she said that she thought I was really peaceful place and uh she thought she was walking up to her
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boyfriend who she was hiking with and a man turned around it wasn't her boyfriend and then he just vanished in
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front of her and uh she said he was a very young man and he looked like he was wearing
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dressy clothes and I that could have easily been the spirit of a student or
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even just a walk-in for all I know but um she was she said it was just very
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startling but not terrifying I think that's one of the most interesting things is all of the
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legends of Hell House have to do with things like black mass so you know I did call and check the satanic temple said
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they never actually had an outpost in the state of Maryland ever melica City so there was no officially sanctioned uh
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satanic temple group practicing there ever doesn't mean that there weren't satanists there it just means that they
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weren't with the actual satanic temple and um they do have outposts in Pennsylvania New Jersey and Delaware but
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not Maryland and um so I I thought that was interesting um
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if there you know could that have happened there sure um I did talk to people who have gone there for like
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Pagan and witchy rituals so those stories are true and they still happen today in fact um I met a group of women
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who go there to practice their rituals and they take trash bags and clean up so I was like you know great because that
45:49
site needs it um every time I've ever been up there I've been heartbroken and how much litter is up there it's almost
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like people climb up there with beverages there's so many beverages everywhere um old cups and and bottles
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and water bottles and M always been like it I mean the river itself you know when
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I first started working there a lot of that River was a hangout the whole way
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from where River Road go starts up on Frederick Road the whole way over to the
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mill um people kids used to uh Park on
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on the uh the riverbank yeah I made party and carry on out there until the state finally
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built those big barriers barriers yeah Yep they're still there and there's tons
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of signs saying like do not park here because you know I wanted to take pictures to go with a lot of these
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stories and I had to park pretty far away and then walk along that narrow shoulder to get photographs and that's
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that's just how it is you know that's just how it looks now because people you know it's always people don't always
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know how to act L it's just a thing no they don't um I did interview many dozens of people who had no experience
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up there but did go up there to party and um and that happened both before and
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after the big fire of 97 people just went up there party and hang out um you know having been up there it is a
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beautiful spot uh you can see so far over elit you can see over the river uh
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you can see so far it's actually beautiful and um have I ever had a weird
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experience there yes um I went up there with a friend and um I did take some
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recent photos of it um it has been repainted by an artist there's a lot of folklore about the artists some people
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say it's from a video game some people say it was somebody who's going to use it you're talking about at the altar or the olda the alter the black the black
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dragons with all of the mysterious got a picture of that but it look they put the dragons and all that other stuff it does
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look amazing it is amazing it's amazing so I did not see an entity when I went
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up there but I went up there with my friend Ally and um her and I were walking
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through a trail so this is a more this is an older photo that you're see now um
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this would be probably early 2000 like maybe 2005 to 2010 somewhere in that
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area um that was a photo submitted to me um the Gazebo has fallen down more since
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then and it has the black dragons on it but um that said um we were walking around the trail
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there it is that's the more recent look this is what it looks like right now although it probably has snow on it so
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um this is just such a peaceful beautiful spot um I've been in a lot of
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haunted places and a lot of spooky places and I don't feel bad here I felt
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calm here I felt like I could sit there for hours and like read a book um and then her and I were walking this you see
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the path on the front it continues down and goes all the way around that gazebo and um we were walking on the trail and
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we came back and there were two pieces of um big citrus fruit that had not been there um two there were two of us and
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then two two big old like grapefruits laying there that were not there before
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and um nobody else was up there it was completely quiet uh we just said well
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thanks um I I took we took them and put them back on the altar but um there was nowhere they
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could have come from they were just there and it wasn't scary or weird or
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anything like that it was it was just kind of a nice experience I don't know how else to describe it um but there is
49:42
something about this property there's something that just pulls me back to it over and over again I it it has a
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mystery it has a tragedy about it um it it's very seductive though in a way to
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keep going back there and right near it like there's the where the old mills were there's the illuster tunnel which
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like I said is its own Beast um there's the cemetery up the hill so all of these
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things yes uh train track tunnel let's see which one this is that's the one looking into the
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tunnel I think yeah yes this is a very recent one this is the Ilchester tunnel um that red face on the side that is the
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newest graffiti artist that's been working there uh they call themselves Meats and um that is the new graffiti
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that's there the um the black dragons are about five years old and they are starting to fade in the in the weather
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but um the the faces like that are showing up all over the place down there
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now but um the Ilchester tunnel what a fascinating other spot you know I I've
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got so many bad memories of that tunnel of people I had I had guy I worked with
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committed suicide on on that train track right in front of the tunnel mhm uh I knew a guy who was hit by train but he
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survived while in the tunnel like I said that's a live track yep and there is
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there is a bit of folklore L you know this that tells people to go into the tunnel oh really and I always tell
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people don't go into the tunnel don't walk on the tracks like I get asked about this own ghost tours down there all the time and I'm like it is not safe
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this is a terrible piece of folklore this could cost you your life like don't go don't go in the tunnel yeah yeah we
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used to have a power plant on that side of the river for the mill and uh it was it was
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like 100t from the railroad tracks where I crossed you know the river into the
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tunnel and we were running people out of there all the time oh I'm sure especially on the weekends because
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um and in fact there was a kid that tried to jump off that off that bridge
51:55
into the river one time Oh my he got himself messed up really bad because he
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thought I guess he thought it was deeper there you know let's say bloy Dam it used to be down river there people were
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killed on that many many people have died at that old Dam of course all the dams are gone now but uh that that whole
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area has had a lot of death not it it's a lot of tragedy there not including the
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mill I was in I mean we've had people die yeah and I had a die I had a one of
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my workers passed away one evening on in 1987 um he fell into one of the pulpers
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I told I think I told you about that he died and of course that was and of course the old there was an
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old uh Mill Village on the on the de side I don't know how many of the houses are still there the old the old house
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like I said there's only two only two left now is that right M yeah there used
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to be at least a dozen up there and I knew several people who lived in those
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houses and uh they were haunted badly haunted I'm
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sure and there cemeteries up there as well and a lot of them um a lot of them
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have actually been restored um some of I asked you about that I'm I'm interested
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in seeing that because that Cemetery in the woods I think it was St John's the
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name of the church it was probably a Methodist Church okay I don't know but they you know it was all grown up in the
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woods and there were a lot of well-known names buried in there uh some of the
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early calverts had lived in El City and actually buried up there a lot of
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prominent people lived in elant City because it was absolutely El Mills I guess because it was very successful
53:43
Place yeah interesting interesting yeah yeah the St Mary cemetery looks amazing
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I mean it's completely revamped they actually have um and it's still operated
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by I mean tell you the right name um it is still operated by the church that
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split off from um St Mary's okay so um hang on
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here Our Lady of Perpetual heal so Our Lady of Perpetual Help split off in uh
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1958 they became their own separate church and they're still operating right down the road and they are the ones who
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have gone in and restored a lot of the cemeteries and they operate the St Cemetery now oh okay so wow yeah so I
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hope you I I hope one day you write a book about a lot of this up there uh
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and I have I have two books I need to finish first but this one is on Deck well honestly like these are just my
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notes my I have stacks of research about this one area and um it ties into so
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much history down in that that part of Maryland that was sign ific including the bno railroad so um it's it's a
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really amazing link and it's a really amazing story and I uh I love all the
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ghost stories with it I mean some of them are silly uh some of them are haunting and tragic but um you know like
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the thing with the 12 nuns being hanged that that never happened but um there
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are people who like it's always the friend of a friend my my friend's friend went there and he said the 12 nuns were
55:27
hanging over a pentagram made of blood I'm like I don't think that happened but thanks for playing that sounds like just
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a straight up satanic Panic stuff to me yeah um I had stories of I collected of
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people who went up there with Ouija boards and try to connect with people and you know all all you you name it
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hell house has probably seen it um you know the bells that were at St Mary's
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are still around and they are at the um Meadow Ridge Cemetery in elrich and I
55:57
actually went there to see them they are in great shape they've been fully restored and they look amazing so they
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all these little pieces of this place that are still there that are still around you know like the cemetery still
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exists the bells still exist and I kind of feel like hell house has transformed into this beautiful place of art now you
56:17
know if you can make it up the hill you can go and see this amazing art there is a tree over those stairs now um I should
56:24
probably add that for your listeners um it's not a beginner's hike to get up
56:31
there um and it's definitely not a beginner's hike that you have to shimmy over a fallen tree just so you know
56:38
that's their unless unless it's gone in the past few weeks or something um that's a thing that's there in at the
56:43
moment I'm sure the park service will eventually take care of it uh it does not feel mysterious or strange when
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you're up there because you were walking on a paved trail um it is not the part
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of the park that's kept up the best but it uh it's definitely worth a hike when
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it's safe to go um if people are listening to this and thinking about going with your dog I wouldn't do it um
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it's not a safe place to take a dog it' be a great place to have your dog fall or I mean there are like big huge cracks
57:10
in the ground and things like that it's not it's not a place to fool around I don't know if that makes
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sense I agree with you I mean there spots where you can like Drop right off that side of that Hill I I literally
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used to go hunting up there and uh there are a lot of um there are a lot of openings from you know the granite
57:29
splits and you you gotta really watch yourself even back then when I used to go so I can imagine what it's like now
57:37
um you know that you you were talking about Elkridge you know the whole way up and down River Road has had so much
57:45
crazy stuff going on yeah um when I get you when you and I get down there one time I'm going to take you up on thistle
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Hill did you ever hear anything about the Phoenix the old Phoenix building well
57:56
it's gone now talking about the phoenix bird oh no well I know the story of the Phoenix well there there was a phoenix
58:04
seen by several people they swear it was a Firebird up on uh up on thistle Road
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up on uh Hilltop you you go up with this they this or you go around the
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village and go up the hilltop up on top of Hilltop where the the the park used to start at uh yeah people used to used
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to see this red bird huge red bird in fact I had a truck driver almost hit it
58:32
one time coming down fle Road into the mill but yeah uh we have had those
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sightings I know one thing in those woods that very a lot of them a lot of
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bobcats in there a lot of bobcats and uh so uh yeah
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it's it but it's an area It's a Spooky area I mean especially you know well I mean just the whole area
58:59
I mean it's just a lot of spooky stuff and um oh my gosh there's so many the Seven Hills ghost stories like I can do
59:05
a whole episode with you on just the ghost stories of Seven Hills because there's like a headless Rider there's a
59:10
a faceless jogger there's a demon goat there's the truck there like never mind
59:17
Lilburn Mansion like all of that stuff is back on that side of elate city in
59:22
that one condensed area and then it's funny because then you hit Main Street and
59:28
suddenly the ghost stories are different they're not as spooky there's a lot more benevolent Spirits there that are doing
59:35
really nice things for people like they like they'll do you a solid whereas like you get back in that Seven Hills area
59:42
it's funny because even driving through driving through you can feel a change um you can feel a change in the atmosphere
59:48
and the air and U people do still go Hill hopping back there just so you know
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um I've had people on my ghost tell me like oh we still do that I'm like this is a terrible idea you know when they
1:00:00
try to hit 100 back on those roads you know those roads are terrifying at 25 um I can't imagine wanting to go 100
1:00:09
in the dark because it always has to be at midnight of course right so um yeah
1:00:14
uh no I I think the human element is also scary but um yeah the stories back
1:00:21
there are are really something um that you know there was an old hotel back there that has a ghost um there's just
1:00:28
so in your own story about the gray lady yeah the gray lady that and for
1:00:35
people who don't know well maybe you did you know did I tell you I dressed up as the gray lady that gr lady Halloween one
1:00:42
year I had an encounter with the gray lady uh and I believe it was Katherine
1:00:49
uh uh Katherine Kennedy who her father was John Kennedy who was the Secretary
1:00:55
of the Navy under uh Millard Filmore well he had a mansion back there but also gray gry's
1:01:02
Mill was near there and Gray's Mill was uh one of the first paper mills
1:01:09
to actually go up into the I mean built in the United States and some of the I
1:01:15
don't know how much is still left there but at a time near near the the turn as
1:01:21
you come off of uh Frederick Avenue down into River Road
1:01:26
some of the old uh mill work or some of the uh the
1:01:32
Weir was still there and I don't know what's still there well the the weird
1:01:37
building is still around um yeah it's super haunted I mean and it has some relevence
1:01:44
in it too it yeah it's not the best I I don't go in it so well you know that
1:01:51
area used like I said it was um there was a lot of famous people used to go there um Edgar Allen Poe new Kennedy uh
1:02:00
yep Washington Irving Washington Irving used to go there because he had an orchard there it was it was just a lot
1:02:08
of weird a lot of neat stuff a lot of historical stuff uh they used to talk
1:02:13
about or she used to talk about waving at the union troops as they were going
1:02:20
on the train on the old bno line heading to battle and she'd be on the other side
1:02:26
River waving and such now of course that was all destroyed back in in 18668 was 68 yep and uh they they moved
1:02:35
out of there and of course they said Kennedy owned one of the biggest private
1:02:41
libraries in the United States and that's why Po and uh Washington Irving
1:02:46
for the most part used to go there because of what he had they used to do a lot of research there so uh all that was
1:02:54
gone but when when I live when I used to work down there the old slave quarters were still there now I don't know
1:03:01
if you know I don't know if they're still there or not a lot of a lot of the buildings that you remember might very
1:03:08
well be gone yeah probably is so because even even some of the
1:03:13
buildings that you were talking to me about I went to look for and they're not there yeah that's unfortunate but they
1:03:18
did they did you know you did send me a picture of they they put the uh they put the sign up there talking about the
1:03:24
history of graze Mill and uh the Kennedy Mansion I guess and um yeah I and I do have Harper's
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drawings of that and I I I did send that to you I think but um yeah it was a very
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well-known area but unfortunately you know things don't last forever and that
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river that River recycles itself so so much I mean you know does it it's such a
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sweet gentle River when it's not angry it's so easy to get kind of led by it
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and then you see it get full it is
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terrifying yeah um yeah you know during Agnes they estimated that it was 40 foot
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above breach level so you can imagine the water going down through that Valley
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oh yeah you know there's um on the bridge going into elate City now which I did not send you a picture up but I
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probably should have um they have marks where all the different floods have hit Agnes is on there it's it's one of the
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higher ones it's not as high as 1868 um but it it's significant yeah you
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talked about the recent floods I mean they've had some really bad ones and um yeah like I said people have lost their
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lives in them yes I have a a beautiful ghost story this seems like a lovely way to um start to wrap things up um so one
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of the ghosts in downtown elette um two of the shopkeepers were in the
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basement of their store that used to be the old telephone company uh like back in the 1940s and 50s when women
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connected calls and um it was the night of the second flood but they didn't know
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it yet they didn't know it was the night of the second flood um they just thought it was a bad rain because they had said
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the first flood that hit was the hundred-year flood and they were like there's no way will have you know the
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experts like it can't happen again well it did and it was only a few years later unfortunately it was in 20 I think 19
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the second flood hit right yeah so um these two people are cleaning up and
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working in the basement of their shop and they find all this old telephone stuff like from when the company was still there all the old historic things
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and suddenly a golden orb appeared and it was fairly big they they both described it to be about the size of a
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beach ball now they knew El city was haunted and they were kind of like okay like this is going to be a ghost well
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the ghost kept circling around and trying to push them out the door and they finally got the idea that they
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should leave and they both said that the ghost felt warm that it was not um scary that they
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they had they both felt very curious about it but not terrified and um they decided then to
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leave well they got out and the water was already over ankled deep and they were like oh my God it's happening again
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and when they relayed this story to me they said that they are 100% sure that
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that ghost saved their life that whatever that entity was that appeared they they said they're sure it was one
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of the ghosts of the women that used to work there um I don't know if that's true or not but they said that they did
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not get rid of the old telephone operating stuff that they left it all there as a way to say thank you and um
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they leave a space for for the ghost in the in the store um because it saved two
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people's lives by having them evacuate during that second flood
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I'm trying to think where is that where's that building at um that one it's on Main Street um if you want I can
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hop online and quickly look up the address but I don't know it by heart it's right across from Serana um syriana
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is the Syrian restaurant now it's in the old Walker house yeah I know I know where the Walker house is
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yeah it's right across from the Walker house but yeah that basement filled completely um those those buildings were
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filled up to you know the first
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floor yeah but yeah a ghost saved them okay folks folks in the chat if you
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got any questions please put all caps up there Christina will put them up here and maybe we can answer a few things for
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you um yeah I I do want to get up there yeah
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uh Charlie Ruckus said line can you tell more about how he used remote viewing
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during New Yorktown hotel investigation do they cold read or do they give them a
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Target it's Target it's coordinate remote VI scientific remote viewing a short order cook in the chat Delise uh
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her team did the actual RV so um and it it it was it was spot on it was amazing
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it was very detailed especially some of the drawings that came in of the architectural features that aren't online it was fascinating
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yes uh let's see I see one up there Charlie
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Ruckus uh have have you heard of catacombs and tunnels leading to said catacombs under elate City so there are
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some um Dugout parts of underneath elate City and this has to do with the history of bootlegging there um basically this
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was a hot spot for bootlegging now Maryland did not officially take um the prohibition law they never actually
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ratified it but some parts of Maryland were dry and uh elica city was decidedly
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wild um during prohibition um it was like one women and song all day long and
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a lot of those old Dugout Parts still exist um today underneath now a lot of
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them have filled in or like they become parts of stores or storage areas but um
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I I I know that some of those buildings do still have Dugout Parts as far as tunnels connecting them not that I know
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of not that any historian I've talked to has ever talked about as far as connecting tunnels but yes into big
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Dugout secret Areas they were full of
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booze uh Jose Sanchez in paranormal circus have Hil hounds actually been seen photographed and if so what breed
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would you say that mostly closely res Rott W or Doan pictures you know I
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personally I I I've seen a lot of different types uh usually they're huge
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uh I would say they look more like a Rott wow than a doberan pitcher because but you know most most of the pictures
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and and the stories I've heard have been over in England but there there occasionally been a few here in the United States not many but there had
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been there's a pretty famous One in Maryland do you know it uh no okay so
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out in Western Maryland uh there's a story of a giant black dog um a hellhound if you will that dates back to
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the Civil War um The Washington Post even reported on it because it would run out in front of people's cars and people would think M I
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just hit a dog and they get out and there was nothing there there was no blood there was no fur there was no dog um but apparently it's bigger than
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either a Rott Wilder according to the Washington Post it's bigger than either a Rottweiler or a doberman more like the
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size of like an Irish wolf hound and um some accounts say his eyes are yellow or
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red now I can tell you Irish wolf hounds can indeed come with yellow eyes that's a real thing because they're sounds but
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um red eyes I don't know but I know that when you shine the light in any animal's eyes they can flare back red so um is it
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is there an Irish Wolfhound running around scaring people I don't know um but I do think it's interesting that
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even the Washington Post reported on this dog because it's been in so many stories since the time of the Civil
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War yeah I never heard that one I actually knew a story you didn't cheers Lon yeah well you
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[Laughter] know yes um a lot of the hellhound
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stories are from UK and Ireland I mean even Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote about the hounds of the Baskerville I mean
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absolutely it's definitely a thing but if you uh keep digging into the lore um W sir wolf you will find that South
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America has a lot of hellhound stories too I get a lot of werewolf stories down
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to South America for whatever Reas are everywhere I think it's our oldest crypted I do it dates back to um about
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3,000 BC so that I know of so yeah I
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werewolves are my [Laughter]
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favorite H let's see besides ghost this is from Jose Sanchez besides ghost have
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Cryptids also been cited around haunted locations oh absolutely yes yeah a lot
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that's a very common phenomenon yeah yep it's uh and and especially around
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here I mean look I talk about Gettysburg all the time we got a lot of crypted sightings around Gettysburg and I've
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collected stories of them too um when I'm out looking for ghost stories I end up finding a lot of crypted stories and
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UFO stories absolutely so and they always seem to um coales in the same
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places okay well uh Rissa why don't you tell the folks how uh a little bit of
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what's going on with you in in recent upcoming weeks I know the weather is not
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going to cooperate for for many ghost tours but uh no I'm not doing any ghost
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tours again till April but I do have some upcoming things that people might find interesting so uh let's see I only
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have one public program this month and um it is on January 19th which is Edgar
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Alano's birthday um I will be at the serpent key new location in Handover
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Pennsylvania doing Street that's right um it'll be a dark poetry Workshop um
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where you don't even have any experience it's fine just show up and I will teach you to write dark poetry and then after
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that we're having a free open mic night and moving into February I will be putting on a little more public uh of a
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more of a public face um I'll be doing several um girls night out um spooky
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tours in elica city where I will tell the history of women which because it was a Quaker Town there's a lot of
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history or women there a lot of women business owners in history that were very influential as well as a female
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hauntings and then I also be doing my brand new valow program um I think I
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have several locations um where that will be happening um serpent Sky is one of them as well as it will be in
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Gettysburg um and a couple of other spots valow will be haunted love stories
1:14:19
and uh it's they'll be both Regional and international some of the best uh scary
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stories of romance from the ghostly Pantheon uh I am really excited about it
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I've been working on this program for the past year and it's going to be extra great fun so you don't need a date come
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alone and or bring a friend and uh enjoy the scary
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stories my when when when's that gonna be I don't know the dates on by by heart
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but if you go to my website te andm smoke or my other website haunted pa. online I will be adding the all of those
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dates uh probably over the weekend as well as ticket links yep okay well folks first of all I want
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to thank Rissa for coming on and I know we're gonna have Risa on again because you know we just
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are thank you and uh she's on the team now and uh her and I do Converse a bit
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so uh you know I'm quite sure we're we're going to discover a few other things that we can talk about eventually
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I'm sure her and I get another on another investigation together as well I
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would love to tell you too this year my big research project in Maryland is going to be the Ouija board and in honor
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of it I even wore my planchet earrings tonight oh um but I will be doing a huge
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research research project for the museum this year on the Ouija board
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cool yeah well B Baltimore was kind of the the hub for the Ouija board that's
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kind of where really started at it's home yep is there a link forisa yes you
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can probably most easily remember T and smoke tea and
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smoke.com Rissa again thanks for coming on people love when you come on here and
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I've got a lot of response from the last time you were on great well that was a great show New Yorktown so good so good
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so if we if we do other investigations we will definitely let you know about it and talk about it and uh maybe something
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will come up this year so take you too and uh we'll talk soon and uh folks
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again I want to thank each and all you for watching and chatting and if you donated it's truly appreciated uh your
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support's what makes all this possible so please like subscribe and share and if you have a sighting or counter report
1:16:50
that you'd like to be considered for the personal report show or for fam and wers blog or send something to Rissa I mean
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you know if you got you got something you want to look into uh contact her but
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you can contact me and I can forward anything to her as well at lawn strickler phants of monsters.com so
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until we meet again stay healthy and safe have a good night and have a good weekend talk soon
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